gonna keep it short but i personal wanna see some hunters go survival for expose weaknes this increase atkpower for all atkers so that means every one who use atk power and not only in your group but also in other groups
when i writed this topic we did gruul and we had 12 people who use atkpower
let's say this hunter have 400 agility 25% of it that agility = atkpower so that's 100 atkpower

100 x 12 = 1200 atkpower most hunter have 1400 atkpower so you can see with this it almost looks like we have 1 extra dps


next thing i have saw no hunter in this guild have any points in inproved hunters mark i would see atleast 1 a 2hunters with this talent guy's have to understand that hunters mark give 125 atkpower to melee aswell that's inclusive tanks and other melee classes

there are around 5 to 8+ melee classes let's say a avarage number 7 7x125 atk power = 875 that + that 1400 = 2275 that's a tier4 full epic geared hunter who is fulled buff that's alot of dps extra.

just wanted to say this it's up to you guy's what to do with this information.

darky.

i would like to have moonkin and you in my group,8% more crit,ouch that hurts lol

yeah i put mages and elemental shamy's as main pioirty in my group they only get from me 4% spell hit and 3% crit so that's pritty good for the casters in my group specialy if i have Geb and a moonkin in my group that's 11% crit and 7% spell hit extra for the group

same thing i put enhancement shaman's with rogue's

so that's i hope if the hunter spec littel bit different by takeing inproved hunters mark and some go survival we buff more poeple with extra dmg.

i have 15.40 spell hit%,so i dont need you for the spell hit,but for the crit

tbh its better if u have a holy paladin in with a boomkin and a shaman as we get anextra 8% crit too, so we get a little bit more mana regen, and we can also have space for priests and other healers/casters in a shadow priest group.

oh also i hope no hunters go with 400 agi!

but yeah tbh expose weakness is good, but tbh increasing tank dps isnt that much of a priority

BTW we only have 1 boomkin in guild

but you guy's atm talking about casters

i talk about all melee if we could have 1 a 2 survival hunter best is 1 very active hunter for example micheal and for the other one the inproved hunters mark for example dailou that are 2 active hunters.
if the other hunters take 41-20-0 witch is in my opionion a very good dps build.
btw people may thing bm is only for pvp but for some reason i think mm and bm could both be used for pvp and pve it just depens how you wanna use it.
any way bm hunters also have 2 things 1 good dps 2 also 1 littel buff named ferocious inspiration ... every time your pet make a crit the party do 3%more dmg for 10 sec's. and my pet i think he crit olmost every time in atleast 10 a15 sec becaus i have a tiger and who already atk fast plus i gave it something with snake speed or something like that who make my pet atk 30% faster but do lesser dmg.
any way it also have a claw atk with's dont use many rage so he basicly use it all the time becaus my hunter crits also alot and for every crit i do my pet get extra focus (rage)
so just saying instead we have like 6 hunters who are mm with same spec maby a littel variation here and put all the hunters in 1 group in 25 man raids and you have a strong dps group.
just like i have with a caster group.
same thing as put mogul and freefighter and some rogue's in there group that's also a good combination.

We have a lot of hunters in guild , for example we had 3 hunters yesterday in Karazhan raid , Dothu have lvl 70 hunter alt , and i am leveling my hunter pretty fast .
btw you can use http://www.lazarusguild.com/roster or armory to see all members and their classes .

tbh a general raid usually consists of between 2-4 hunters, so 1 or 2 can benefit from BM and a survival spec hunter in there.

Its upto you how you wanna play, but if you wanna progress, some sacrifices have to be made for the greater good, im not saying we force people into respeccing, but asking them wont hurt.

the 400 agility was a example my hunter is close to the 600 agilty that's 150 atkpower for each atk power user 150 x 12 = 1800
let's say and 12 people ( excaly 7 people and 5 hunter pet's) for the hunters mark that 110 x 12 = 1320
1320 + 1800 =3120 / 2 = 1560 atkpower that's 2 extra dps
only my hunter is survival and we dont have any hunter for the in proved hunters mark 2 extra dps is alot so take your time to think about what kind of spec you want i can put some nice ideas up

hunters mark spec
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basic ... 0000000000
dont know if any one use aspect of the hawk wil raiding i dont so i dont put it in the talents here

beast mastery
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basic ... 0000000000

survival only for good geared hunters with alot of agility 500+ minimum
there is not rly a good build for survival hunters there excaly many way to go in survival
like this.
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basic ... 2300530350
or
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basic ... 2300530350

dont for get it's not like if your survival your own dps is gowing very low excaly i think it stays reason ble the same becaus unbuffed you have more crit than as in bm or mm and you have 6% chance to get another extra 10% crit for 8 seconds so maby you even do more dps in survival than mm but that dos not mean mm sucks becaus it dont i think if you have 1 survival in a raid and 1 mm and 3 bm all in the same team you get very nice dmg
i do want to try with a other hunter maby michael to see if expose weakness prox (if it's posseble to have more than 1 expose on a target) maby 2 a 3 survival hunters than 1 mm and 1 bm

1 thing is sure we have to much mm ..bm is better dps than mm i think i have proven that wile most hunter are better geared than my hunter now and bm's pet buffs the party with 3% extra dps and it prox with other bm's so you could even have 6% extra dmg

hey guys,

Do we still need suvival spec hunters ? if its the case i'd like to give it a try to respec in surviv...

Just tell me if we still need it...