Guys,

I am so pissed off right now. Tonights raid was a fucking disaster.

From now on if you want me to continue to lead raids, god damn listen to me. I spent 90% of my time talking to an apparent brick wall tonight. If you struggle to hear me or understand me then tell me, if you just can't be bothered to listen to me then you have 2 choices, either say you don't want me to lead any more or stop raiding. I am not prepared to stand there and explain tactics or healing assignments or whatever else and then people just do whatever they feel like and us wipe becuse nobody healed the tank, or because nobody did whatever other vital thing it was i told them to do and they couldn't be bothered to listen.


Turk

i totally agree with Turq.. same things happened few weeks ago i was leadin.. well i almost posted kind of post as well.. but some put me other thoughts... and addin for this.. there is some ppl which slackin durin boss fight... can u understand durin boss fight even they alive.... guys focus listen. if u dont know or understand somethin ask.. there is nothin wrong to ask. and stop afk pls. runs go way faster even with 24m if 25th is the one who fuckin around.. so focus, dont slack and dont afk. im sure if none afk in whole raid it goes fast at least im gonna give little breath time middle of the raid.. but if have to wait 2min after every 20min for someone im not.

Yep. Well justified comments. I wasn’t at tonight’s raid but I’ve seen how it works. The thing is that, imho, on average 24/25 ppl in a raid couldn’t lead it. I can’t really speak for everyone else but I can apologise for my own screw-up’s. I do listen, I do try, it just doesn’t work out sometimes.
Sorry.
It is an honour raiding with you guys and we need you.

I would like to reiterate Broom's comments. We really do appreciate the effort that it takes to lead us noobs around and I think the majority of us are listening, trying to follow instructions and do our best. We really do need you raid leaders, and we really do appreciate you. Unfortunately sometimes, either through bad luck, or a momentary lapse of attention, mistakes happen. So like Broom, I apologize for my screw-ups too. I always try not to screw up however, which I'm sure is true for many of us. Turq, and Cren, you are not talking to brick walls, many if not most of us are listening attentively. We just make mistakes, and I guess if too many of us make too many mistakes at once then its wipe-city. Please be assured we really appreciate everything you do for us.

Don't give up on us!

x

I verify to have read the post. I do beleive I follow the leaders instructions (Ony25 Tue Cren was leader as far as I remember) or feel free to yell at me. I'm ready to receive the shit, if I doesn't do as expected. I'm fully OK that raid needs preparation both from the raid leader, as well as from the raid member.

Not to be prepared, not to listen, not to accept you are given shit when you do things bad, is a sign that you ain't mature and you do not have what it takes. Try to take a look at a coach for a professional sportsteam when the team are doing bad, you will see what I mean. That is an expected reaction from a leader and Turk you have my accept, however Gnat had to pick me up a couple times , but I know you are doing what is needed to get through this.

So what I'm saying is you are doing a fantastic job and if people doesn't like it or doesn't agree that a team have to follow the instruction from the leader - they should think about if raiding is something they should do at all.

Just to clarify, I am not having a go at people who are trying and make the odd mistake. Its when I have to ask for someone to put up a summoning stone 5 times, or ask for someone to buff 5 times. Well if they can't hear me asking them to buff then they obviously arent listening and didnt hear any of the tactics I explained either. So then we have a wipe because 1 person preferred to have their music playing louder than TS or whatever.... thats hardly fair on the rest of the raid is it.

Turk

Totally agree with u Turq and can clearly see why u are annoyed like sum of us

but people continue to go AFK during boss explanations or during buffs


i heard u add up the minutes wasted in 1 raid and its a thing to think of
coz it is normally 24/25 people waiting for 1 person

i can apologize for my several dc's at the start but i only hope i perfomed adecqualty when i sorted it

Hi all,

this is a point coming to my mind since a while but never got the time to...

2 things:

1.- ppl don't know how HARD is to be a raid leader and the time you need to invest in make things working. (Sometimes when i need to lead a buch of PUG in a fight -once every 6 months- i feel like i going to die before 35...) so ppl be thankfull to the leaders it is not easy at all to handle 25 to perform as a team... BIG THANKS GUYS

2.- Have u ever saw what it the record to clear naxx 25?? 1h 05 min... (with naxx gear). And how much will take us to clear it with all ppl knowing tactics? THINK ABOUT IT... i really doubt that with today's gear WE are able to clear Naxx25 in this time... not even double the time.

And here is the point, you leaders are in some aspects to NICE. Make rules like:

-inv for raid at 8, inv 15 min before i think is waste of time cos u wait 20-30 min until raid is full, an ppl start already to AFK cos they now it will take that long, maybe u will need to wait for these ppl cos they are on raid and now they can go AFK. The important thing will be to start (killing mobs) 2-5 min after inv start and not 30 min

-when u explain tactics say: ok guys 5 min for tactics, if u know tactics u can go afk for 5 min.
-then make asigments
-then say GET READY and all need to buff, food, flask, check missing buff
-then go
-every 1h -or 2h- 2-5 min break (yes like school) and no one is allow to afk unless u have a REALLY GOOD REASON, bio is not as u have 5 min every hour.
-MANDATORY if someone is AFK out of a break to said it on TS o chach otherwise kick from raid. If pizza guy comes say AFK so that ppl know ok we have one less, we need to wait? can we continue (if is the MT healer someone need to heal the MT, if is the MT the OT need to take over... if is dps carry on)
-if you get AFK 2-3 times u get kick
-if you dc 2-3 times (can happen to everyone...) u get kick, i guess is enough ppl who wanna join...
-when the raid leader said IS A WIPE everybody die/rezz asap and RUN back

Is better to reduce raiding time and be more effective rather than stay one hour longer with lots of AFK and prob one boss less and big headache... can someone said how many time we actually raid?? i will say some days is close to 50/50

Of course this rules don't need to be the magic ones they are only examples from other guild i was on, some from my own... discuse it, try it... keep what work and kick the rest. Or just ignore me

Cheers
/lanz

so what happens if both tanks dc 3-4 times

would you really kick them

Coz if no other tanks online that would mean Raid Disband

Sorchia,

"Kicking" is not the right term here, "Replacing" is more suitable.
Nobody is punishing anyone for being DC a lot during a raid, it is just so the raid will be able to actually play fluidly without breaks.

If there is a suitable substitute (not in raid or alt tanks) a substitute will take place. If there is no other option... well... it just means we are screwed.

And replacing due to rapid dc is something most mature players understand and even sometimes asking the RL to replace them.

Thanks Lanz nice post but wanna clear few things



Well first i wanna say that i dont mind if ppl go for a pee during clearin. I don't think that 10 raiders going at the same time, if one or two goes it's not big loss if tanks and healers enough. Also if u are missin buffs don't ask it pls during clearing. I know its nice to maximize ur dps durin clearin, but its just wastin clear time if we buff everytime when someone needs it. We gonna buff ppl anyway just before pull, and i said im more than happy to keep smoke, pee any break bout 2-6min middle of the raid if till then there is no waitin at all.

And the most important thing, everyone of u who has applied has said u have read the Guild Rules and agreed to them. I have been quite confused, if ppl have read them and agreed to them why don't they follow these rules:



If we see 25 attendees in the raid and few substitudes, why shouldn't we start invs then? and:



Shouldn't us Officers/Class Leaders/Raid Leaders assume if everyone says they have read the raid rules and agreed with them, they should be online soon enough if they sign up for raids and there is not a note telling us they are going to be few min late?

but u right that there is no point to start invs too early and im not gonna start if there is less than 25 attendees and no peeps online who signed off or didn't sign at all who could raid.

I agree with above posts aswell. I think everyone appreciates all the work the officers and raidleader do for a raid. And i think like Veek said that most people really do listen to the raidleader.

The point Lanze makes is probably the reason people go afk announced. There is no penalty what so ever. Not that we need one but i guess if people in a raid go afk frequently without explanation, we must get stricter rules for it.

1 Point i would like to add to Lanze's list is, lets give the raidleader a confirmation if u get an assigment or question. How hard is it to answer a question in Guild chat with: yes, ok, no, i will, etc if u dont want to speak on TS. Now i hear questions being asked several times without any response from that person. I dont understand that at all.

Kryptos

soz verill but its Lanz mentioning the kicking

im just re-iterating the fact

Hi all,

last week we wipe all night long... yesterday we wipe all T9 content in one night. Maybe is the small break maybe the weather... don't know. Just wanted to say THX to all and specially raid leaders for a great night.

Gratz to all and keep it this way

cheers
/lanz

*Opens a can of Beer* !!!!

Rejoice !