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 Post subject: Justice Points
PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:54 am 
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As we discussed in our previous announcement (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...Id=24401796793), we're refining the currency systems used for purchasing PvE and PvP items in World of Warcraft: Cataclysm, and the transition to this new system will take place in two stages. Today, we're going into more detail on how these changes will be rolled out, so if you haven't yet, make sure to check out the prior article to get up to speed on the currency names.

One change of note since that original announcement is that we've changed the name of the low-tier PvE currency from Hero Points to Justice Points. The original announcement post has been updated to reflect this.

Out With the Old

In the upcoming 4.0 patch we'll begin the first stage of the conversion to the new currencies. Emblems of Triumph and Emblems of Frost will be converted into Justice Points. For this initial conversion there will be a soft cap of points you can have, with a hard cap enforced later as detailed below. All PvE emblems and badges below Frost and Triumph will be converted into gold. This even includes legacy badges, like Badges of Justice. If any of these older currencies are converted into gold, the player will receive it through an in-game letter.

At this time any bosses a player defeats that are level-appropriate to them (and previously awarded badges or emblems upon defeat) will award them with the new Justice Points. Similarly, any items that previously cost emblems or badges of any type will now cost Justice Points instead.

On the PvP side, Season 8 will end with the release of patch 4.0, and all Arena Points, Honor Points, any leftover Battleground Marks of Honor, Stone Keeper's Shards, Venture Coins, and Spirit Shards will be converted into the new Honor Points. The new Honor Point pool will also have a soft cap for these conversions, but a hard cap will be enforced later. At the time of conversion, items that previously cost Honor or Arena Points will be sold in exchange for the new Honor Points. Rated Arenas and Rated Battlegrounds won't be available again until Season 9 (shortly after the release of Cataclysm), when they can be entered to win the higher-tier PvP Conquest Points.

In addition, purchasing any item with these secondary currencies (Honor Points and Justice Points) will now require that the purchaser meet the item's minimum level requirement.

It's important to note that these conversions are not 1:1, but are indicative of the level and relative worth of each before the conversion to the new point systems. For example, Stone Keeper's Shards will convert into more Honor Points than Spirit Shards.

Tip of the Cap

While we previously announced that there's a limit to the amount of these new currencies you can stockpile, we're providing a grace period in the form of a soft cap. This soft cap will allow the initial conversion to push the amount owned over the cap, but will not allow any further points to be earned (or returned through item refunds) until enough points are spent to put you below the hard cap.

For instance, a player has 3000 Emblems of Triumph, and 1200 Emblems of Frost; at the time of conversion they'll be given 4200 Justice Points. The hard cap for Justice Points is 4000, so that player won't be able to earn any more Justice Points until he or she spends enough points to reduce the total to under 4000. This also applies to the new PvP Honor Points, which also have a cap of 4000.

Shortly before Cataclysm is released, another patch will enforce the hard cap, marking the second stage of the currency conversion. Any Justice or Honor Points above the hard cap will be converted to gold, and just like in the first stage of the conversion, the player will receive an in-game letter explaining that some of their currencies were converted into gold as well as delivering the gold itself.


sooo... we can earn "Justice Points" now for our fresh lvl 85 gear??

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 Post subject: Re: Justice Points
PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 12:12 pm 
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I really really think not, and I really really hope not. That'd just be reciprocating the cycle of getting gear incredibly easily which I was really hoping they'd go away from.

I guess they'll either reset or give us gold for our Justice Points come cata.

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 Post subject: Re: Justice Points
PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 12:56 pm 
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Well it kind of makes sense I guess. In that these are the lower of the two points currencies. Therefore even when cata comes out first the gear you can get with them won't be that good. Think naxx 10 gear when wotlk was new and everyone wanted 213 gear. And secondly it doesnt sound like you are going to get much gear for your current badges. If the cap is 4k points and emblems convert 1:1 and as he suggests 4k points is going to be enough to buy a couple of pieces, you are going to have to stockpile roughly 2k emblems of triumph for 1 piece of gear. Bearing in mind you could sell those 2k emblems for gems and get about 20k gold, which I am sure will be enuf to buy one piece of crafted gear I don't see this being a massive issue.

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 Post subject: Re: Justice Points
PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 1:46 pm 
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AIUI, the justice points are going to be the lower level of points, for "old" gear, so at cata launch it will be used to buy T10 and older gear. The higher level "valor" points will be used for the new T11. When T12 comes out, T11 and lower will then be purchasable with Justice points, and T12 will be valor.

I believe the 1:1 conversion was just an example; mmo-champion said something about posting the conversion ratios today.

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