About time you re-rolled a decent class -coughs hehe
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| Author: | Agu000 [ Sun Apr 03, 2011 6:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | "Feral, The Great Failure of Cataclysm." |
Hello guys. For the past 2-3 weeks I've been working on my feral specc as I usually have been playing. Most of you probably have never played cat or are not interested but this post is intended to discuss a certain WoW-Forum post I found. http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1622863971 It covers us Ferals throughout the different expansions and how Blizzard has seriously caused a huge issue with the current feral specc/gear/rotation. Check it, read it if you are interested, and if you have any thing you have realized please do post it here. I personally have had one issue. When i was leveling my druid and I was sitting at around ilvl 335 i was dealing a certain amount of dps that could be counted as "decent". maybe 10-11k? I now sit at ilvl 351 and i do an average of 13k-14k. We can see an improvement of 1k-2k while other classes are dealing up to 18k with the same lvl of gear. Apparently they've messed up our scaling entirely which makes me terribly sad. In any case! This has made me decide to probably level something different. I'll continue to go to raids with my feral cat, and to gear it up hoping that in the next patch there might be positive changes regarding this issue. |
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| Author: | Intensify [ Sun Apr 03, 2011 7:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "Feral, The Great Failure of Cataclysm." |
About time you re-rolled a decent class -coughs hehe
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| Author: | Billÿ [ Sun Apr 03, 2011 7:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "Feral, The Great Failure of Cataclysm." |
http://www.simulationcraft.org/406/Raid_T11_372.html |
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| Author: | Agu000 [ Sun Apr 03, 2011 7:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "Feral, The Great Failure of Cataclysm." |
According to that post billy Ferocious Bite deals more damage than its doing nowadays. Shred is dealing more damage than ferocious bite nowadays. Which is a screw up. |
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| Author: | Lou [ Sun Apr 03, 2011 7:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "Feral, The Great Failure of Cataclysm." |
So go chicken... and do more dmg. QQ Less. |
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| Author: | Billÿ [ Sun Apr 03, 2011 7:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "Feral, The Great Failure of Cataclysm." |
What I linked is just the comparison of all classes with best in slot gear with Simcraft (not a Helter Skelter simulation though) to show that the class/spec is not broken... it's just "THE WORST" but by no means is it broken. |
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| Author: | Crendoc [ Mon Apr 04, 2011 11:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "Feral, The Great Failure of Cataclysm." |
but the player could be always better or worse than other ^^ |
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| Author: | Chris [ Mon Apr 04, 2011 1:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "Feral, The Great Failure of Cataclysm." |
Lou wrote: So go chicken... and do more dmg. QQ Less. Balance is pretty much right next to Feral in the stats Billy posted, though both are 5k behind Hunters at the top of the chart. However you might find that Moonkin is less punishing to learn/play. Despite them being identical in terms of DPS, when I was playing around with target dummies in the end I personally found it easier to pump out the numbers as a Moonkin. |
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| Author: | Lou [ Mon Apr 04, 2011 10:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "Feral, The Great Failure of Cataclysm." |
Chris wrote: Lou wrote: So go chicken... and do more dmg. QQ Less. Balance is pretty much right next to Feral in the stats Billy posted, though both are 5k behind Hunters at the top of the chart. However you might find that Moonkin is less punishing to learn/play. Despite them being identical in terms of DPS, when I was playing around with target dummies in the end I personally found it easier to pump out the numbers as a Moonkin. Point is... the whole point of this thread was "Waaa blizzard hates me" If we look at the numbers. (I'm gonna compare to my class here since it's the only one I can really speak of.) Compared to the top class in the game we have: Druids can do 83.3% of Hunter damage. Deathknights can do 84.05% of Hunter damage. Within the same classes we have: Worst Druid spec can do 96.5% of the best's damage. Worst Deathknight spec can do 88.1% of the best's damage. This just shows that druids actually have less of a "Need" to play a spec they don't like and stay competitive. For references sake Druids can theoretically output 99.1% of DK damage. While DK's worst spec lags behind Druids at the "worst spec" as they can only do 91% of their damage. To put things into perspective, the median (..or rather average between the two median terms...my math is a bit hazy here.) is 26 687. DK's put out 99.7% of that median, and Druids do 98.8% now..choosing to not go with the best spec and going with feral only puts you @ 95.7% of it. So basicaly we're both...well average. In short, DK's top out 1.02% higher than Druids when compared to the best in the game, there's really no reason to complain IMHO, Sure your best spec is slightly lower than ours but your worst spec is considerably better (8.4% closer to top game damage.) Effectively blizzard has made you slightly under average but allowed you more freedom within specs. Infact (Didn't do any math on this) if youd question the facts that 3 of hunter specs are in the top 4, or that the worst hunter spec is only beat by a single spec etc would make a lot more sense. This whole cry for attention seems...well boring, I've not read the entirery of the post linked in the OP and I won't comment further till I have... but basicaly the ability to output the damage is there. Simcraft table proves this... just cause it doesnt make sense/you don't like it...is a whole other issue. I've not been in raiding more often so take the following at your own risk but I've heard mages are doing great on the meters... fire mages at that... but, they're actually *under* druids. |
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| Author: | Billÿ [ Mon Apr 04, 2011 10:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "Feral, The Great Failure of Cataclysm." |
and nowwwwwwww to shit on the whole "Druids and Deathknights are crap"... 
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| Author: | Pixél [ Mon Apr 04, 2011 11:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "Feral, The Great Failure of Cataclysm." |
Damn battlenet on maintence again, so carnt read that post. But, if we are slightly less balanced than other classes, more incentive too play more perfectly and god knows we have had our chances over the last 2 years at topping (or equaling pure dps classes) the charts. |
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| Author: | Agu000 [ Tue Apr 05, 2011 7:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "Feral, The Great Failure of Cataclysm." |
I agree Pixel ur right... I shouldve taken it that way. I pointed out that I realized major changes in my class. Disliked them. and well, put up the link for you guys [particularly other druids] so you could see other people have noticed these changes as well. But yes, I was complaining. I've decided to stay feral nevertheless. I refuse to go chicken. Rather top dps my own way. Anyway thanks for your feedback guys. |
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| Author: | Crendoc [ Wed Apr 06, 2011 1:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "Feral, The Great Failure of Cataclysm." |
Agu000 wrote: I agree Pixel ur right... I shouldve taken it that way. I pointed out that I realized major changes in my class. Disliked them. and well, put up the link for you guys [particularly other druids] so you could see other people have noticed these changes as well. But yes, I was complaining. I've decided to stay feral nevertheless. I refuse to go chicken. Rather top dps my own way. Anyway thanks for your feedback guys. thats the spirit ^^ luv u Agu |
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