I think pretty much everyone here has respecced recently. I thought it might be helpful to quickly go over who is what spec, so here is how we are at the moment:

• Cren is Affliction/Ruin (40/0/21)
• Ellii is Destruction and Demonic Sacrifice (0/21/40)
• Hin is Demonology, Felguard Spec (6/44/11)
• Finally, I'm Shadow Mastery and Demoic Sacrifice (30/21/10)

Now I'd like to comment on our builds, what what we bring to the raid.

Firstly, everyone has Improved Shadow Bolt.
This debuff adds to the damage of all the Warlocks and Shadow Priests in the raid, and I'm please to see that we've all got it. Cren and Ellii have the Devastation talent, Hin has the Demonic Tactics talent and Ellii, Hin and me have quite a high spell crit, which make it even better. Well done everyone!

OK, now Improved Imp.
We don't have anyone who will have their Imp out and has this talent, but personally I think Improved Imp is too weak considering the talent points it costs, so that's okay ^_^;; I think we're good as we are.

Okay, now onto Shadow Embrace.
This very useful talent reduces physical damage on the tank by 5% - and I'm told it stacks with the armour on the Tank as well. Seeing as it is deep down in the Affliction tree, Ellii and Hin won't be able to get it with their builds, but both me and Cren have gone down the affliction tree, so it might be helpful if we snagged it.
Cren, if it's alright with you, could you get the full five points in Shadow Embrace? I'd suggest taking three points out of Contagion.
I'm tempted to change my build slightly so I have it as well, just to give us a bit of cover on this one.

And finally, Malediction.
A 3% boost to the Mages, Warlocks and Shadow Priests' damage is nothing to be sniffed at. However it's so far down the affliction tree, I think only Cren's build covers it. So basically we're relying on Cren for this one, and we'll have to do without it in raids where he is not playing his Warlock.


OK, right then. Any comments? Have I missed anything important?

I tried out a fun spec (someone would think that but actually not me), 1/39/21 or something like that. theres 3 uses, either u use imp for reduced aggro + get the spell dmg boost or sac succu with nuts crit rating (in either way i had 30% crit for sb) or keep succu alive (prolly the best dps for locks if the succu can be kept alive and whacking the mobs tho its kinda hopeless cos succu has wank hp).

If you're keen to just putting curse of elements and sb'ing away its cool whatever u do, crits do lower dmg but get the 4-5% more crit + its cool for pvp too with soul link. I had 1 point for corruptions global cooldown but its useless cos you cant cast it while running + sb is faster and cheaper to throw. Well, soul link is cool with succu standing beside you too (or let it whack away if theres no aoe), with 5% more dmg done.

Got bored with throwing sb spam before i could figure out if it was any good, just showed ok'ish dps in kara (with average players in kara barely better than second dps) with imp, never tried the succu (neither sac or alive). IF i ever get bored with felguard i'll go back to that build and see whats it all about.

I'll probably go for this Shadow Mastery/Demonic Sacrifice build in the end:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=IVMdVMdtVZdxczIbzZxL
Nice DPS, plus has Shadow Embrace to help the healers.

But... seeing as I'm respeccing anyway, I think I'll try out this Felguard/Destruction spec
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=IcZogMzIizMeskxx0xM
for a week or two, just to see how it handles in a 25-man raid ^_^;;

Chris a baad idea. Dont toss the crit talents for imp corruption. Better just have the fel whack away with either curse of recklesness or agony/elements and just spam sb. Thats the best dps if you wont take the insta corruption, by far.

I have trouble deciding if i want to use instant corruption over just plain nuke (extra 5% crit and reduced aggro+more range) but atm im happy with insta cos theres lots of fights you have to move and i can put out agony and corruption when im moving. Maybe the sb spam build would make a bit more dmg but its still fun to use instant dmg casts, its cool for pvp too.

I'm fel spec atm cos I've got a lot of grinding to do for my fire resist gear and a bracer enchant
So would u mind having a look at my current spec tell me what you think hin. Just armory me, I'll be it for a while, and also, how would u play this spec in instances/raids

I'm going back to destro once i get back from my mates in about a week cos it works better for me though

Meh, call me impatient but I think I'll spec back soon.
Mobs are dying through my shadow bolts before my Felguard can even run up to them

Ok some grinding & instance tips

For grinding i usually send fel in and put agony, corruption, lifetap (some middle rank, max rank will put you outta hp), drain life and the mobs are dead. Rinse and repeat. Take cleave off as it makes fel oom fast and putting more than 1 to manafeed isnt smart as u never will need it in runs. If u wanna finish the mobs nuts fast, fel in-> sb -> finish off with shadowburn (i recommend getting it, people will go oooooo on ur 3sec mobkills (spend one talent off imp lifetap, u can afford it)) But with lifedrain u never go oom, thats why i use it. When u get the hang of it ur downtime is practically zero, just occasional healing of the fel. Spirit/int/stam scrolls are good for pet, imo in that order. If u got the spirit buff on fel u can keep cleave up for a long time.

If ur grinding casters, put felhunter up, soul link/defensive and start rungrinding (all abilities on felhunter, it never dies cos every time it devours magic it heals). 2 dots should kill every 68-70 lvl mobs. When ur outta mana, lifetap once and apply one seed and you got 5-10 dead mobs.

For instances theres not much to do, just wait for tank to get some aggro and charge the fel into em (or no charge, some tanks get annoyed about it), agony, corruption (and immolate if big hp mobs), sb spam em to hell / finish off with shadowburn. Cleave does awesome dps (almost doubles fels dps) so remember to keep it up if theres no cc.

For raiding, same thing except have your omen next to your petbar so you can keep an eye for pet getting dmg. It will almost never die if you are fast taking it back&healing it. Not sure immolation is worth applying but i do use it whenever i can afford the aggro it makes. Agony+corruption always up but dont reapply before they tick off. All other times, sb spam. Its all about keeping felguard alive so keep an eye on it all the time, check the dps after fights (i only get my fel killed when i drool over dps meters) /petabandon() macro is good if youre about to lose the pet, resummoning it will keep the buffs up on pet. AND remember to summon the pet before raid buffs before raid starts to buff, its a wank having to ask em later.

Whatever the situation, soul link up.

Felguards need something to whack all the time for the nuts whack buff(50% more attack power) so dont forget to put it on another target right after the mob its whacking dies. It wears off in 5 secs or so so keep it ready. When the buff is up felguard does 250-350dps, varying on mob armor/what curse ur using.

Damn that got long, hope u have the strength to read all.

For Chris, the sb gets great buff from felguard so thats why it kills fast. Its just not that good for grinding if u dont wanna waste time drinking/eating all the time.

Btw, for demo i found out that if ur using the 4set T4 the agony+corruption+immolate all tick off at the same time so u can always apply them at the same time, helps on the rotation. Without it, its messy putting agony at the different times as corruption+immolate. Thats for demo, affliction has more dots so i guess it wont matter much there anyway.